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Kink meme | Discussion post

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[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but yeah like on one hand, the implication is unfortunate

and on the other hand, if a trans woman and a trans man have a public relationship, unless both of them "pass" really well, they are gonna get side-eyed by the str8s just as much as any other non-cishet couple would

in a perfect world that would not be the case, but we do not live in a perfect world. i am uncomfortable with the cissexist implications as well as the trans exclusion. it's a no-win situation, unfortunately

[(Anonymous)]

If neither of them passed they wouldn't be side eyed, and a cis woman/gnc cis man or the other way around would also be side eyed.

It's still m/f, public people's response doesn't matter because people will side eye you for wearing a fluffy pink ball on your hat if you're masc passing, and also I hope you're not cis because if you are, you trying to use trans people as an excuse to insert m/f into a kink meme that's explicitly for non-m/f couples is low.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt i'm not trying to insert anything into anything lmao i understand why the policy has to be the way it is, i'm just saying it's a shit situation to begin with. i feel bad for the mod having to make the decision

for the record i am trans and i get side-eyed no matter what kind of relationship i'm in since i rarely pass as either end of the binary and when i do i never pass as straight. i just kind of agree with op anon above, "People want to see relationship dynamics and bodies that resemble their own within fandom" but i see why things are the way that they are. i just hate that we are being driven to this

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

This is also not the only Fallout kink meme, as pointed out above - and AFAIK, there's nothing excluding M/F with trans characters on the other kink meme. I agree it is a shitty situation, since I also don't pass myself and I know what it feels like to be side-eyed no matter what you do or who your partner is (even when people just assume I'm GNC but cis)... but it's not that trans M/F is excluded from Fallout fandom (or even Fallout kink meme) entirely, just in this spinoff comm.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt of course there is no rule explicitly excluding trans characters, in an m/f pairing or otherwise, on the other kmeme. but let's not pretend it's a welcoming environment thanks to the userbase, and let's also not pretend that a big part of the reason this new meme even exists is in response to that hostile/exclusionary atmosphere. i know the whole "gay wasteland" falling out played a large role too, but the cishet straight brigade heralded it all and still exists as a common enemy

there's also the fact that the fkm mod disappeared like two months ago so it's currently a godless anarchy lol. it's just... when you have meme A and meme B, and A is cesspit despite all efforts, and B is pitched as an alternative to A, it's just not a legitimate solution to say to people who are looking to escape all that to "just go back to meme A if you have a problem," y'know?

i really appreciate all of the people, mods and average users alike, who are trying their best to make things right for the fandom. we've got ourselves a real post-apocalyptic mess to sort through and i know most of us just want to be able to enjoy our fandom

[awmod]

This discussion has really underscored that there needs to be a space in the fandom that centers on and promotes trans creators and fanworks. There's been some backstage discussion about this with someone in the fandom who's willing to create that, so watch this space! When something gets off the ground, it'll get linked here.